Am I correct in assuming that I can count boxes I place with
undocumented clues (i.e. Cuckoo Clues, Easter Eggs or Bonus Boxes)
into my "P" count?
Deb (SpringChick)
On the Subject of P's and F's...
13 messages in this thread |
Started on 2002-11-06
On the Subject of P's and F's...
From: SpringChick (letterbox@attbi.com) |
Date: 2002-11-06 12:50:44 UTC
Re: [LbNA] Re: On the Subject of P's and F's...
From: (bconnoll@marksonrosenthal.com) |
Date: 2002-11-06 08:09:28 UTC-05:00
You people are hurting my head.
Will someone please explain to me the protocol for placing a "Hitch Hiker"
Do I let someone know ?
Do I leave anything with the stamp itself ?
Do I count it as placed ?
Team Green Dragon
Re: On the Subject of P's and F's...
From: geoflyfisher (geoflyfisher@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2002-11-06 13:24:04 UTC
What do you mean by undocumented clues?
--- In letterbox-usa@y..., "SpringChick" wrote:
> Am I correct in assuming that I can count boxes I place with
> undocumented clues (i.e. Cuckoo Clues, Easter Eggs or Bonus Boxes)
> into my "P" count?
>
> Deb (SpringChick)
--- In letterbox-usa@y..., "SpringChick"
> Am I correct in assuming that I can count boxes I place with
> undocumented clues (i.e. Cuckoo Clues, Easter Eggs or Bonus Boxes)
> into my "P" count?
>
> Deb (SpringChick)
Re: On the Subject of P's and F's...
From: SpringChick (letterbox@attbi.com) |
Date: 2002-11-06 13:25:36 UTC
Clues that are hidden inside another box, but not published on the
web site.
Deb
--- In letterbox-usa@y..., "geoflyfisher" wrote:
> What do you mean by undocumented clues?
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@y..., "SpringChick" wrote:
> > Am I correct in assuming that I can count boxes I place with
> > undocumented clues (i.e. Cuckoo Clues, Easter Eggs or Bonus
Boxes)
> > into my "P" count?
> >
> > Deb (SpringChick)
web site.
Deb
--- In letterbox-usa@y..., "geoflyfisher"
> What do you mean by undocumented clues?
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@y..., "SpringChick"
> > Am I correct in assuming that I can count boxes I place with
> > undocumented clues (i.e. Cuckoo Clues, Easter Eggs or Bonus
Boxes)
> > into my "P" count?
> >
> > Deb (SpringChick)
[LbNA] Re: On the Subject of P's and F's...
From: SpringChick (letterbox@attbi.com) |
Date: 2002-11-06 13:45:45 UTC
A HitchHiker is at minimum a stamp and a log book. There are no
clues. Sometimes people put them in their own plastic containers,
sometimes the stamps and log book are just wrapped in a baggie.
They get placed with an existing letterbox -- if it is just a baggie,
put them inside the existing box, if it is its own container, put it
in the same hiding spot.
They should be stamped into the box where you put them... in other
words, stamp the hitcher stamp into the log book of the host box and
the host box stamp into the hitcher log book.
As for notification... You do not HAVE to notify anyone. But there
are several avenues that can be used for notification. Pete and
Wanda keep a comprehensive hitcher list on their web page
(http://alum.wpi.edu/~p_miner/Letterboxes.html) or there is a
separate Yahoo talk list some people use for hitchhikers
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox_travellers/?yguid=120115296)
or other people just post it to this list.
If you are the person who originally planted the hitcher, then you
get to count it as a "P". When you find and move a hitcher, it is
an "F".
Deb (SpringChick)
--- In letterbox-usa@y..., bconnoll@m... wrote:
>
>
> You people are hurting my head.
>
> Will someone please explain to me the protocol for placing a "Hitch
Hiker"
>
> Do I let someone know ?
>
> Do I leave anything with the stamp itself ?
>
> Do I count it as placed ?
>
> Team Green Dragon
clues. Sometimes people put them in their own plastic containers,
sometimes the stamps and log book are just wrapped in a baggie.
They get placed with an existing letterbox -- if it is just a baggie,
put them inside the existing box, if it is its own container, put it
in the same hiding spot.
They should be stamped into the box where you put them... in other
words, stamp the hitcher stamp into the log book of the host box and
the host box stamp into the hitcher log book.
As for notification... You do not HAVE to notify anyone. But there
are several avenues that can be used for notification. Pete and
Wanda keep a comprehensive hitcher list on their web page
(http://alum.wpi.edu/~p_miner/Letterboxes.html) or there is a
separate Yahoo talk list some people use for hitchhikers
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox_travellers/?yguid=120115296)
or other people just post it to this list.
If you are the person who originally planted the hitcher, then you
get to count it as a "P". When you find and move a hitcher, it is
an "F".
Deb (SpringChick)
--- In letterbox-usa@y..., bconnoll@m... wrote:
>
>
> You people are hurting my head.
>
> Will someone please explain to me the protocol for placing a "Hitch
Hiker"
>
> Do I let someone know ?
>
> Do I leave anything with the stamp itself ?
>
> Do I count it as placed ?
>
> Team Green Dragon
Re: [LbNA] Re: On the Subject of P's and F's...
From: (bconnoll@marksonrosenthal.com) |
Date: 2002-11-06 10:03:50 UTC-05:00
Thank You Deb
Re: On the Subject of P's and F's...
From: geoflyfisher (geoflyfisher@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2002-11-06 15:53:08 UTC
Ah Ha! I have done some boxes a little like that.
Randy Hall once wrote me that a box does not need to be listed on the
letterboxing site to be a box or a P. It can be listed on another
site, on the Geocaching site, in a list of boxes given to your
friends... As long as it contains the ingredients for a box and a
set of clues (or not if it is a hitchhiker)
I admit I don't like to get very far into the legalities of the Ps
and Fs. I have enough trouble trying to track where I am at any
given moment. I tend to count up before events and once or twice a
year otherwise.
I wrote a little piece of some humor on this topic about 9 months ago
which you might enjoy at this time:
http://www.qsl.net/ws8g/pfxe.htm
Also, I use the FAQs by Randy whenever I get into a different sort of
unusual situation and need to know how the "framers" might have
thought of a new idea. Perhaps we need letterbox lawyers and a court
system, or decree by a monarch who has unquestioned authority.
Perhaps not.
If you are feeling bold, try this test: Guess what your PF scores
are and put those numbers at the bottom of a post as though they are
completely correct. Don't tell *anyone* that the numbers might be
off a tad. If it makes you feel bad, or you receive abundant
criticism about your lack of accuracy, then look up the rules and pay
attention to the details.
Enjoy the woods in the absence of poison ivy this winter.
Rick
--- In letterbox-usa@y..., "SpringChick" wrote:
> Clues that are hidden inside another box, but not published on the
> web site.
>
> Deb
>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@y..., "geoflyfisher" wrote:
> > What do you mean by undocumented clues?
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@y..., "SpringChick" wrote:
> > > Am I correct in assuming that I can count boxes I place with
> > > undocumented clues (i.e. Cuckoo Clues, Easter Eggs or Bonus
> Boxes)
> > > into my "P" count?
> > >
> > > Deb (SpringChick)
Randy Hall once wrote me that a box does not need to be listed on the
letterboxing site to be a box or a P. It can be listed on another
site, on the Geocaching site, in a list of boxes given to your
friends... As long as it contains the ingredients for a box and a
set of clues (or not if it is a hitchhiker)
I admit I don't like to get very far into the legalities of the Ps
and Fs. I have enough trouble trying to track where I am at any
given moment. I tend to count up before events and once or twice a
year otherwise.
I wrote a little piece of some humor on this topic about 9 months ago
which you might enjoy at this time:
http://www.qsl.net/ws8g/pfxe.htm
Also, I use the FAQs by Randy whenever I get into a different sort of
unusual situation and need to know how the "framers" might have
thought of a new idea. Perhaps we need letterbox lawyers and a court
system, or decree by a monarch who has unquestioned authority.
Perhaps not.
If you are feeling bold, try this test: Guess what your PF scores
are and put those numbers at the bottom of a post as though they are
completely correct. Don't tell *anyone* that the numbers might be
off a tad. If it makes you feel bad, or you receive abundant
criticism about your lack of accuracy, then look up the rules and pay
attention to the details.
Enjoy the woods in the absence of poison ivy this winter.
Rick
--- In letterbox-usa@y..., "SpringChick"
> Clues that are hidden inside another box, but not published on the
> web site.
>
> Deb
>
>
> --- In letterbox-usa@y..., "geoflyfisher"
> > What do you mean by undocumented clues?
> >
> > --- In letterbox-usa@y..., "SpringChick"
> > > Am I correct in assuming that I can count boxes I place with
> > > undocumented clues (i.e. Cuckoo Clues, Easter Eggs or Bonus
> Boxes)
> > > into my "P" count?
> > >
> > > Deb (SpringChick)
Re: On the Subject of P's and F's...
From: woodschuckstraub (woodschuckstraub@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2002-11-06 15:53:35 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@y..., "SpringChick" wrote:
> Am I correct in assuming that I can count boxes I place with
> undocumented clues (i.e. Cuckoo Clues, Easter Eggs or Bonus Boxes)
> into my "P" count?
>
> Deb (SpringChick)
YES as long as you made the box that you are placing with the
undocumented box.....Chuck and Molly
> Am I correct in assuming that I can count boxes I place with
> undocumented clues (i.e. Cuckoo Clues, Easter Eggs or Bonus Boxes)
> into my "P" count?
>
> Deb (SpringChick)
YES as long as you made the box that you are placing with the
undocumented box.....Chuck and Molly
Re: [LbNA] Re: On the Subject of P's and F's...
From: Judi Lapsley Miller (judi@psychokiwi.org) |
Date: 2002-11-06 11:17:24 UTC-05:00
OK - just to muddy the
waters further... how do others count exchanges? I thought this question had an
obvious answer until I went to a couple of gatherings and came across the
following scenarios:
1 person with 1 stamp = 1
exchange
1 person with Y stamps = 1 exchange or Y exchanges? (I'm
counting 1)
X people with 1 stamp when all X's are present= 1 exchange or X
exchanges (e.g., a family) (I'm counting 1)
X people with 1 stamp when
only some of the X's are present= 1 or (X-Y)? (I'm counting 1)
X people with Y stamps when
Y>X (we exchange with our "family" stamp and our individual stamps so Y=X+1)
(I'm counting X)
1 dog with 1 stamp = 1 exchange? (I'm counting 1)
1 soft toy with 1 stamp = 1
exchange? (I'm counting 1 - but only if the soft toy in question has its own
personality :-)
X people and Z dogs with 1
stamp? (I'm counting 1)
X people and Z dogs
with Y stamps? (who the hell knows!?)
X people and Z dogs and Q
soft toys with N stamps? (who the hell knows!?)
Urrghhhh!!!! I stopped
counting after the second gathering because it all got too confusing and decided
I'd stick to my P's and F's! I guess it all boils down to the question of whether an exchange is
literally a stamp exchange or a people
(entity) exchange.
OK - I'll shut up now and
duck for cover....
Judi
Re: On the Subject of P's and F's...
From: rscarpen (RiskyNil@hotmail.com) |
Date: 2002-11-06 18:06:50 UTC
> Am I correct in assuming that I can count boxes I place with
> undocumented clues (i.e. Cuckoo Clues, Easter Eggs or
> Bonus Boxes)
> into my "P" count?
A letterbox doesn't have to be on this website to count as a
placed. An "undocumented" clue is still a clue, no matter where
you find it. I have clues listed on my website that I've delibrately
not had placed on the website for whatever reason. Others
believe just finding the CLUE is part of the challenge in
letterboxing, and want to make it more difficult just to adquire the
clue. I've had to hike to one of my own letterboxes before just to
adquire a clue that I knew somebody had placed there.
But they're all still clues that lead to letterboxes!
Speaking of which--there are plenty of 'undocumented' clues
floating around, which is a good reason to get to know some of
the local letterboxers because they might know of some that you
may not know about!
I've been thinking about creating some clues that are meant to
be mailed or given to people. Maybe I'll print out half a dozen of
them and hand them out--then if you want to find the box, you
need to find someone who's walking around with one of them.
Just to make things a little more challenging. =)
Carpe diem!
-- Ryan
> undocumented clues (i.e. Cuckoo Clues, Easter Eggs or
> Bonus Boxes)
> into my "P" count?
A letterbox doesn't have to be on this website to count as a
placed. An "undocumented" clue is still a clue, no matter where
you find it. I have clues listed on my website that I've delibrately
not had placed on the website for whatever reason. Others
believe just finding the CLUE is part of the challenge in
letterboxing, and want to make it more difficult just to adquire the
clue. I've had to hike to one of my own letterboxes before just to
adquire a clue that I knew somebody had placed there.
But they're all still clues that lead to letterboxes!
Speaking of which--there are plenty of 'undocumented' clues
floating around, which is a good reason to get to know some of
the local letterboxers because they might know of some that you
may not know about!
I've been thinking about creating some clues that are meant to
be mailed or given to people. Maybe I'll print out half a dozen of
them and hand them out--then if you want to find the box, you
need to find someone who's walking around with one of them.
Just to make things a little more challenging. =)
Carpe diem!
-- Ryan
[LbNA] Re: On the Subject of P's and F's...
From: rscarpen (RiskyNil@hotmail.com) |
Date: 2002-11-06 18:12:52 UTC
> OK - I'll shut up now and duck for cover....
You are so funny! =)
For what it's worth, I just count how many stamps I've aquired
from other people because, well, it's easier that way. But count it
any way that seems right to you. There aren't rules about this
sort of thing!
-- Ryan
You are so funny! =)
For what it's worth, I just count how many stamps I've aquired
from other people because, well, it's easier that way. But count it
any way that seems right to you. There aren't rules about this
sort of thing!
-- Ryan
Re: [LbNA] Re: On the Subject of P's and F's...
From: (cherieph@aol.com) |
Date: 2002-11-06 13:17:44 UTC-05:00
Rick, and others boxing 'without foliage'
You CAN get Poison Ivy even in the winter. It is the sap and not the leaves which do you in. Please be careful no matter when you go. My brother had the worst case ever one winter after a camping trip.
cherieph
You CAN get Poison Ivy even in the winter. It is the sap and not the leaves which do you in. Please be careful no matter when you go. My brother had the worst case ever one winter after a camping trip.
cherieph
Re: [LbNA] Re: On the Subject of P's and F's...
From: A.D. (alwayschaos@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2002-11-06 12:45:47 UTC-08:00
I, and a few others, have made it known that we don't
want our hitch hikers added to any list kept by
another.
I have included an email address in each of my
hitchhikers with a note asking that the finder please
email me to let me know of the condition. That way if
I have further questions or concerns about the upkeep
of the box I can address them to the person who knows
best about my HH.
Please follow whatever directions for notification you
find with the HH and please let the person know you
found it if they ask- that's half the fun! :o)
> As for notification... You do not HAVE to notify
> anyone. But there
> are several avenues that can be used for
> notification. Pete and
> Wanda keep a comprehensive hitcher list on their web
> page
> (http://alum.wpi.edu/~p_miner/Letterboxes.html) or
> there is a
> separate Yahoo talk list some people use for
> hitchhikers
>
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox_travellers/?yguid=120115296)
>
> or other people just post it to this list.
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want our hitch hikers added to any list kept by
another.
I have included an email address in each of my
hitchhikers with a note asking that the finder please
email me to let me know of the condition. That way if
I have further questions or concerns about the upkeep
of the box I can address them to the person who knows
best about my HH.
Please follow whatever directions for notification you
find with the HH and please let the person know you
found it if they ask- that's half the fun! :o)
> As for notification... You do not HAVE to notify
> anyone. But there
> are several avenues that can be used for
> notification. Pete and
> Wanda keep a comprehensive hitcher list on their web
> page
> (http://alum.wpi.edu/~p_miner/Letterboxes.html) or
> there is a
> separate Yahoo talk list some people use for
> hitchhikers
>
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/letterbox_travellers/?yguid=120115296)
>
> or other people just post it to this list.
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